An Interview With James Madison — via ChatGPT — About the First Amendment

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Wondering what James Madison, founding father and author of the First Amendment, would have thought about the results of the 2023 “Where America Stands” survey conducted by the Freedom Forum, I decided to ask him – via Chat GPT.

The artificial intelligence tool demurred on pretending to be the “real” Madison, but did give answers, based on historical evidence, of what it speculated would be his views.

Here’s, in part, what we chatted about:

Gene PolicinskiGene: The Freedom Forum's latest "Where America Stands" survey found that most Americans support the First Amendment in concept, but far fewer actually know what is in it. What do you, as James Madison, speculate he would think of that finding? 

Chat GPTAI: As an AI language model, I can provide an interpretation of what James Madison might think about the finding you mentioned. It is important to note that I cannot provide the real thoughts or opinions of James Madison, as I am a machine learning model and cannot access current events or survey results.

Based on historical knowledge, James Madison was a strong advocate for individual liberties and believed in the importance of an informed citizenry. He played a key role in drafting the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights to protect fundamental freedoms.

If James Madison were aware of the finding … he might have expressed concern. Madison believed that an informed and engaged citizenry was crucial to the functioning of a democratic society. He believed that citizens should be knowledgeable about their rights and freedoms so they could exercise them effectively and hold their government accountable.

To address this issue, Madison might have emphasized the importance of civic education. He believed that educating the public about the principles and rights enshrined in the Constitution would help ensure the preservation of those rights. He might have encouraged efforts to improve civic education in order to enhance public understanding of the First Amendment and the other principles of the Constitution.

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Gene PolicinskiGene: Thanks. Can you provide any insight into how James Madison would have viewed attempts to regulate content on the internet and social media, given that those platforms are private companies and not the government? 

Chat GPTAI: James Madison was a staunch advocate for individual liberties, including freedom of speech and freedom of the press. He believed in limiting the power of the government to infringe upon these rights, as demonstrated in his instrumental role in drafting the First Amendment. Madison argued for the protection of free expression as a means to promote an informed citizenry, robust public debate, and the ability to hold the government accountable.

Given this perspective, it is conceivable that Madison might have been cautious about any attempts to regulate content on the internet and social media. As private entities, these platforms are not directly bound by the First Amendment, which primarily restricts governmental actions. Madison, as a proponent of limited government interference, might have viewed such regulation as potentially infringing on the private entities' freedom to control the content on their platforms.

However, it is also important to note that Madison lived in a different era, and the challenges and complexities of the internet and social media were not present during his time. Therefore, his exact stance on this specific issue is uncertain, and it would be speculative to assert his views definitively.

In modern society, debates continue to evolve regarding the regulation of online content and the balance between protecting free speech and addressing issues such as misinformation, hate speech, and other harmful content. Different interpretations of the First Amendment and its application to private platforms exist, and perspectives may vary among legal experts, scholars, and policymakers.

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Gene PolicinskiGene: Thanks. From the information available to you, can you speculate on how James Madison would have viewed the use of freedom of religion to opt out of some laws aimed at preventing discrimination, particularly against LBGTQ and transgender persons? 

Chat GPTAI: Madison believed in the importance of protecting religious freedom and preventing the government from interfering in individuals' beliefs and practices. He advocated for a separation of church and state to ensure that no particular religious group or belief system would receive preferential treatment or be imposed upon others.

Regarding the use of freedom of religion to opt out of laws aimed at preventing discrimination, including those affecting LGBTQ and transgender individuals, Madison's views can only be inferred based on his general principles. Given his commitment to religious freedom, it is conceivable that he would support the rights of individuals to hold and exercise their religious beliefs. However, it is important to note that Madison also believed in a system of laws that balanced individual rights with the broader interests of society.

In cases where religious freedom clashes with laws aimed at preventing discrimination, it is possible that Madison would have stressed the need for careful consideration and a balancing of interests. He might have emphasized the importance of protecting the rights and dignity of marginalized groups, while also recognizing the rights of individuals to hold their religious beliefs. Madison might have sought a delicate equilibrium that would both respect religious freedom and ensure that individuals are not subjected to unjust discrimination.

It is worth noting that interpretations of the First Amendment and its application to specific cases have evolved over time, and there are varying perspectives on the extent to which religious exemptions should be granted in cases of anti-discrimination laws. These debates continue in contemporary legal and societal discussions, with differing opinions on the balance between religious freedom and the rights of marginalized groups.

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Gene PolicinskiGene: Can you speculate on how James Madison would have viewed legislation requiring public library officials to ban books dealing with racial issues, gender identity or LGBTQ and transgender topics? 

Chat GPTAI: Given James Madison's commitment to the principles of free speech, it is reasonable to speculate that he would have been highly skeptical of legislation requiring public library officials to ban books dealing with racial issues, gender identity, LGBTQ, and transgender topics … Madison was a staunch advocate for the freedom of speech and the press. He believed that a vibrant and informed public discourse was essential for a healthy democracy. He considered censorship and restrictions on the dissemination of ideas as dangerous infringements on individual liberties and a potential threat to democratic governance.

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Gene PolicinskiGene: What do you think of the results of the Freedom Forum's latest "Where America Stands" survey on how Americans view and their knowledge of the First Amendment? 

Should we be alarmed that so many Americans - consistently about 75% - believe the First Amendment applies to private workplaces? 

Chat GPTAI: The First Amendment to the United States Constitution primarily restricts governmental actions that could infringe upon individuals' free speech rights. It limits the power of the government to regulate or restrict speech, religion, the press, and the right to assemble and petition. However, it does not apply directly to private entities, including private workplaces.

If a significant number of Americans mistakenly believe that the First Amendment applies to private workplaces, it might suggest a lack of awareness or understanding regarding the specific scope and limitations of the First Amendment. This underscores the importance of civic education and raising awareness about constitutional rights, their applicability, and their limitations.

It's worth noting that while the First Amendment may not directly apply to private workplaces, there may be other laws, regulations, or contractual agreements that govern speech and expression within those contexts. Employment laws, for instance, might address issues such as discrimination or harassment based on protected characteristics.

Overall, the results you mentioned could indicate a need for improved civic education and public understanding of constitutional rights, including their application to different settings such as private workplaces. Educating the public about the First Amendment's protections and limitations can help foster a more informed citizenry and promote discussions about the balance between individual rights and private entities' autonomy.

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Gene PolicinskiGene: Of the five freedoms, speech is increasingly seen as the most essential freedom. In the latest Freedom Forum “Where America Stands” surveys, it was rated the most essential by 33% in 2020, 37% in 2022 and 40% in 2023. Results for the other four freedoms in the First Amendment have all declined or held steady. Why do you think this is happening?

Chat GPTAI: The increasing perception of speech as the most essential freedom, as indicated by the latest Freedom Forum survey … could be influenced by a variety of factors:


    1. Shifts in societal debates: Over the past few years, issues related to free speech, such as online expression, cancel culture, and the regulation of speech on social media platforms, have been at the forefront of public discourse. This increased attention on speech-related matters might have influenced individuals' perceptions of its significance.
    2. Technological advancements: The rise of the internet and social media platforms has given individuals greater platforms for speech and expression. The impact of digital communication on daily life, political discourse, and social interactions may have contributed to a heightened awareness of the importance of speech as a foundational freedom.
    3. Media coverage: Media coverage plays a crucial role in shaping public opinion. If speech-related issues have received more extensive coverage in recent years, it could have contributed to increased awareness and discussions around this particular freedom, influencing people's perceptions.
    4. Evolving cultural and political dynamics: Societal and political changes can influence people's priorities and perceptions of different freedoms. Shifting cultural norms, political movements, and debates on issues like identity, equality, and social justice might have contributed to changes in how individuals prioritize and perceive the different freedoms within the First Amendment.

It's important to remember that public opinion can be influenced by numerous complex factors, and individual interpretations and priorities may vary. Surveys provide a snapshot of public sentiment at a particular time, but analyzing the underlying reasons for these shifts requires a more comprehensive examination of the social, cultural, and political landscape.

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Gene PolicinskiGene: More than two-thirds of respondents in the Freedom Forum's "Where America Stands" 2023 survey say that, in general, protecting personal religious convictions is more important that preventing discrimination, but just one-third say that same statement when specific examples are cited, such a social media designer declining a client because of the designer's personal religious beliefs. Why is there such a difference?

Chat GPTAI: The disparity in responses between the general statement and specific examples in the Freedom Forum's "Where America Stands" 2023 survey could be attributed to several factors:


    1. In the general statement, respondents may have envisioned broad principles of protecting personal religious convictions as fundamental. However, when confronted with specific examples, they might consider the potential implications on discrimination and individual rights in a more nuanced manner. 
    2. The issue of balancing personal religious convictions and preventing discrimination can be complex and multifaceted. When presented with specific examples, respondents may grapple with the competing values of religious freedom and the right to be free from discrimination. The specific examples may highlight situations where personal religious beliefs might infringe upon the rights or well-being of others, leading to more nuanced considerations. 
    3. The specific examples provided in the survey, such as a social media designer declining a client due to personal religious beliefs, could highlight the potential negative consequences for individuals or groups who may experience discrimination. Respondents might weigh the impact on individuals who could be excluded or marginalized when personal religious convictions are prioritized. 
    4. Public opinion on matters related to personal religious beliefs, discrimination, and individual rights can shift over time. As societal norms evolve and conversations on these topics continue, individuals may reassess their perspectives and become more attuned to the potential consequences of prioritizing personal religious convictions over preventing discrimination. 
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Gene PolicinskiGene: Results from the Freedom Forum's 2023 "Where America Stands" survey seem to show - as to other surveys from groups such as the Knight Foundation - that younger people are less likely to value the First Amendment than older generations. What would James Madison think of that observation?

Chat GPTAI: Madison was a strong advocate for the First Amendment and the principles it encompasses, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to assemble, and the right to petition the government. He believed in the importance of an informed and engaged citizenry for the success of a democratic society.

If James Madison were aware of the observation that younger people may be less likely to value the First Amendment compared to older generations, he might find it concerning. Madison believed that protecting and preserving the fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution, including the First Amendment, was crucial to maintaining a free and democratic society.

Madison emphasized the necessity of educating citizens about their rights and fostering an understanding of the principles underlying the Constitution. He believed that an informed and engaged citizenry would be better equipped to exercise their rights responsibly and hold their government accountable.

Given Madison's beliefs, he might have emphasized the importance of improving civic education and engaging younger generations in conversations about the significance of the First Amendment. He might have advocated for efforts to help younger individuals understand the historical context, rationale, and ongoing relevance of the First Amendment's protections.

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Editor's note: Please click through each slide to read the full interview.

Gene Policinski is a senior fellow for the First Amendment at the Freedom Forum. He can be reached at [email protected].

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